Oh yeah, and it's a musical

stephen.farrow · Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Posts: 60

Interesting piece in today's Guardian about the fact that the trailer
for "Sweeney Todd" conspicuously fails to mention the fact that it's a
musical:

http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,,2252544,00.html

As we've noted here before, it's hardly the first recent movie musical
to be marketed that way.

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Marinus · Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Posts: 7

schreef in bericht @i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> Interesting piece in today's Guardian about the fact that the trailer
> for "Sweeney Todd" conspicuously fails to mention the fact that it's a
> musical:
>
> http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,,2252544,00.html
>
> As we've noted here before, it's hardly the first recent movie musical
> to be marketed that way.

Saw the Dutch commercial this evening for the first time (the movie opens
thursday). It's not anything like the US-trailers. The movie it's marketed
as 'Johnny Depp's new movie'. Although some singing can be heard and seen,
there's no mention of it being a musical.

Marinus

stephen.farrow · Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Posts: 60

On 6 Feb, 00:54, "Marinus" wrote:
> schreef in bericht@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Interesting piece in today's Guardian about the fact that the trailer
> > for "Sweeney Todd" conspicuously fails to mention the fact that it's a
> > musical:
>
> >http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,,2252544,00.html
>
> > As we've noted here before, it's hardly the first recent movie musical
> > to be marketed that way.
>
> Saw the Dutch commercial this evening for the first time (the movie opens
> thursday). It's not anything like the US-trailers. The movie it's marketed
> as 'Johnny Depp's new movie'. Although some singing can be heard and seen,
> there's no mention of it being a musical.

There was, as the article noted, absolutely no mention of it being a
musical in the British trailers either. Just like "Dreamgirls" (the
trailer for "Dreamgirls" did feature singing, but made it look as if
the only singing in the film was going to be onstage performance
numbers).

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Stephen

"Ed\ · Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Posts: 28

wrote in message @i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> Interesting piece in today's Guardian about the fact that the trailer
> for "Sweeney Todd" conspicuously fails to mention the fact that it's a
> musical:
>
> http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,,2252544,00.html
>
> As we've noted here before, it's hardly the first recent movie musical
> to be marketed that way.

I can't imagine marketing it as a musical would have gotten a significantly
larger audience vs. those who might be turned off by knowing it's a musical.
I don't think anyone who enjoys musicals (onstage or off) wasn't aware of
the film.

stephen.farrow · Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Posts: 60

On 6 Feb, 04:54, "Ed\(NY\)" wrote:
> wrote in message
>
> @i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Interesting piece in today's Guardian about the fact that the trailer
> > for "Sweeney Todd" conspicuously fails to mention the fact that it's a
> > musical:
>
> >http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,,2252544,00.html
>
> > As we've noted here before, it's hardly the first recent movie musical
> > to be marketed that way.
>
> I can't imagine marketing it as a musical would have gotten a significantly
> larger audience vs. those who might be turned off by knowing it's a musical.
> I don't think anyone who enjoys musicals (onstage or off) wasn't aware of
> the film.

I think the point, though, is sort of the reverse of that - people who
aren't aware of the stage version, a group which more or less
certainly outnumbers people who *are*, would not have been aware from
the film's marketing campaign that it was a musical.

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Stephen

"Ed\ · Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Posts: 28

wrote in message @v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> On 6 Feb, 04:54, "Ed\(NY\)" wrote:
>> wrote in message
>>
>> @i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > Interesting piece in today's Guardian about the fact that the trailer
>> > for "Sweeney Todd" conspicuously fails to mention the fact that it's a
>> > musical:
>>
>> >http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,,2252544,00.html
>>
>> > As we've noted here before, it's hardly the first recent movie musical
>> > to be marketed that way.
>>
>> I can't imagine marketing it as a musical would have gotten a
>> significantly
>> larger audience vs. those who might be turned off by knowing it's a
>> musical.
>> I don't think anyone who enjoys musicals (onstage or off) wasn't aware of
>> the film.
>
> I think the point, though, is sort of the reverse of that - people who
> aren't aware of the stage version, a group which more or less
> certainly outnumbers people who *are*, would not have been aware from
> the film's marketing campaign that it was a musical.
>
>Ah, good point. But I have little sympathy (being the elitist lover of
>musicals that I am) for those unwashed souls who would come to see a movie
>not knowing it has singing and be horrified and sickened by it, running out
>of the theater in disgust.

stephen.farrow · Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Posts: 60

On 7 Feb, 04:38, "Ed\(NY\)" wrote:
> wrote in message
>
> @v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On 6 Feb, 04:54, "Ed\(NY\)" wrote:
> >> wrote in message
>
> >>@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > Interesting piece in today's Guardian about the fact that the trailer
> >> > for "Sweeney Todd" conspicuously fails to mention the fact that it's a
> >> > musical:
>
> >> >http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,,2252544,00.html
>
> >> > As we've noted here before, it's hardly the first recent movie musical
> >> > to be marketed that way.
>
> >> I can't imagine marketing it as a musical would have gotten a
> >> significantly
> >> larger audience vs. those who might be turned off by knowing it's a
> >> musical.
> >> I don't think anyone who enjoys musicals (onstage or off) wasn't aware of
> >> the film.
>
> > I think the point, though, is sort of the reverse of that - people who
> > aren't aware of the stage version, a group which more or less
> > certainly outnumbers people who *are*, would not have been aware from
> > the film's marketing campaign that it was a musical.
>
> >Ah, good point. But I have little sympathy (being the elitist lover of
> >musicals that I am) for those unwashed souls who would come to see a movie
> >not knowing it has singing and be horrified and sickened by it, running out
> >of the theater in disgust.- Hide quoted text -

I suppose, but it's perfecly legitimate not to like musicals, and I
can certainly understand someone who didn't like musicals who went to
see this particular film after seeing the trailer being somewhat
annoyed.

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Stephen

"Ed\ · Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Posts: 28

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On 7 Feb, 04:38, "Ed\(NY\)" wrote:
> wrote in message
>
> @v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On 6 Feb, 04:54, "Ed\(NY\)" wrote:
> >> wrote in message
>
> >>@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > Interesting piece in today's Guardian about the fact that the trailer
> >> > for "Sweeney Todd" conspicuously fails to mention the fact that it's
> >> > a
> >> > musical:
>
> >> >http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,,2252544,00.html
>
> >> > As we've noted here before, it's hardly the first recent movie
> >> > musical
> >> > to be marketed that way.
>
> >> I can't imagine marketing it as a musical would have gotten a
> >> significantly
> >> larger audience vs. those who might be turned off by knowing it's a
> >> musical.
> >> I don't think anyone who enjoys musicals (onstage or off) wasn't aware
> >> of
> >> the film.
>
> > I think the point, though, is sort of the reverse of that - people who
> > aren't aware of the stage version, a group which more or less
> > certainly outnumbers people who *are*, would not have been aware from
> > the film's marketing campaign that it was a musical.
>
> >Ah, good point. But I have little sympathy (being the elitist lover of
> >musicals that I am) for those unwashed souls who would come to see a
> >movie
> >not knowing it has singing and be horrified and sickened by it, running
> >out
> >of the theater in disgust.- Hide quoted text -

I suppose, but it's perfecly legitimate not to like musicals, and I
can certainly understand someone who didn't like musicals who went to
see this particular film after seeing the trailer being somewhat
annoyed.

True, but this is not really your typical "stop and sing" musical -
hopefully more viewers wound up appreciating the movie for what is was than
those who were turned off by the singing. As to the misleading advertising
(omission at worst), I find it less consequential than GWB campaigning in
2000 as a "compassionate conservative." (I suppose that would be akin to
Sweeney campaigning as a "compassionate advocate of population control.")
Of course, I suppose there's no excuse for falling for GWB's rhetoric, while
the same people would have had less of a clue that the ST movie had singing
in it.

VINCE · Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 163

Ed(NY) wrote:

> wrote in message
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> On 7 Feb, 04:38, "Ed\(NY\)" wrote:
>
>> wrote in message
>>
>>@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>On 6 Feb, 04:54, "Ed\(NY\)" wrote:
>>>
>>>> wrote in message
>>
>>>>@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>>>Interesting piece in today's Guardian about the fact that the trailer
>>>>>for "Sweeney Todd" conspicuously fails to mention the fact that it's
>>>>>a
>>>>>musical:
>>
>>>>>http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,,2252544,00.html
>>
>>>>>As we've noted here before, it's hardly the first recent movie
>>>>>musical
>>>>>to be marketed that way.
>>
>>>>I can't imagine marketing it as a musical would have gotten a
>>>>significantly
>>>>larger audience vs. those who might be turned off by knowing it's a
>>>>musical.
>>>>I don't think anyone who enjoys musicals (onstage or off) wasn't aware
>>>>of
>>>>the film.
>>
>>>I think the point, though, is sort of the reverse of that - people who
>>>aren't aware of the stage version, a group which more or less
>>>certainly outnumbers people who *are*, would not have been aware from
>>>the film's marketing campaign that it was a musical.
>>
>>>Ah, good point. But I have little sympathy (being the elitist lover of
>>>musicals that I am) for those unwashed souls who would come to see a
>>>movie
>>>not knowing it has singing and be horrified and sickened by it, running
>>>out
>>>of the theater in disgust.- Hide quoted text -
>
>
> I suppose, but it's perfecly legitimate not to like musicals, and I
> can certainly understand someone who didn't like musicals who went to
> see this particular film after seeing the trailer being somewhat
> annoyed.
>
> True, but this is not really your typical "stop and sing" musical -
> hopefully more viewers wound up appreciating the movie for what is was than
> those who were turned off by the singing. As to the misleading advertising
> (omission at worst), I find it less consequential than GWB campaigning in
> 2000 as a "compassionate conservative." (I suppose that would be akin to
> Sweeney campaigning as a "compassionate advocate of population control.")
> Of course, I suppose there's no excuse for falling for GWB's rhetoric, while
> the same people would have had less of a clue that the ST movie had singing
> in it.
>
>
Where had they been, in a cave in outer Mongolia?

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robert armstrong · Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Posts: 221

farrow decrees:

>There was, as the article noted, absolutely no mention
>of it being a musical...

Remember ads for TV production of Gypsy starring Bette were that way
too.

Bob A

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robert armstrong · Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Posts: 221

>Interesting piece in today's Guardian about the fact
>that the trailer for "Sweeney Todd" conspicuously
>fails to mention the fact that it's a musical:

Reminds me of old TV listing for movie 1776 that said it portrayed
Founding Fathers as "a bunch of prancing nebbishes" etc. and concluded
"As if that weren't enough, it's also a musical."

Or, I'm still pondering Leonard Maltin's negative review of Bizet's
Carmen starring Julia Migenes and Placido, in which Maltin concludes
"Might be of interest to opera fans."

Bob A

"Aside from that, Mrs. Kennedy, how did you enjoy the motorcade?"

VINCE · Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 163

robert armstrong wrote:
>>Interesting piece in today's Guardian about the fact
>>that the trailer for "Sweeney Todd" conspicuously
>>fails to mention the fact that it's a musical:
>
>
> Reminds me of old TV listing for movie 1776 that said it portrayed
> Founding Fathers as "a bunch of prancing nebbishes" etc. and concluded
> "As if that weren't enough, it's also a musical."
>
> Or, I'm still pondering Leonard Maltin's negative review of Bizet's
> Carmen starring Julia Migenes and Placido, in which Maltin concludes
> "Might be of interest to opera fans."
>
> Bob A
>
> "Aside from that, Mrs. Kennedy, how did you enjoy the motorcade?"
>
How about the film (don't recall the title) with Nick Nolte where all
the musical numbers were cut?

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VINCE · Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 163

robert armstrong wrote:

> farrow decrees:
>
>
>>There was, as the article noted, absolutely no mention
>>of it being a musical...
>
>
> Remember ads for TV production of Gypsy starring Bette were that way
> too.
>
> Bob A
>
>

One had to be an idiot not to see that it was a musical.............

>

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stephen.farrow · Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Posts: 60

On 7 Feb, 21:27, ElBo...@webtv.net (robert armstrong) wrote:
> farrow decrees:
>
> >There was, as the article noted, absolutely no mention
> >of it being a musical...
>
> Remember ads for TV production of Gypsy starring Bette were that way
> too.

In Britain, actually, that had a limited theatrical release, and the
trailer made it clear that it was a musical.

(And it worked considerably better on a big screen than it does on TV)

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robert armstrong · Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Posts: 221

vincente scritta:

>>Remember ads for TV production of Gypsy starring
>>Bette were that way too. Bob A

>One had to be an idiot not to see that it was a musical.............

It's hard to underestimate broadcast TV audiences. Maybe enough people
know Gypsy is a musical, and maybe, of those, half know it's a musical
they want to see, but the vast majority want these sleazy "reality"
shows, and get them.

Bob A

"Aside from that, Mrs. Kennedy, how did you enjoy the motorcade?"

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